NuInt01 OPC meeting on Sep.8, 8:00am (JST)

From: Makoto Sakuda (sakuda@neutrino.kek.jp)
Date: Thu Sep 06 2001 - 19:07:06 JST

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    Subject: NuInt01 OPC meeting on Sep.8, 8:00am (JST)
    Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 19:07:06 +0900
    From: Makoto Sakuda <sakuda@neutrino.kek.jp>
    
    Dear NuInt01 OPC members,
    
     I have merged the lists of topics and speakers 
    which Session Convener sent us. There will be some minor
    changes before the meeting.
    
    At the meeting, Session Convener will explain the current
    proposed topics and speakers of each session.
     
    Adam (Session7 convener) will be absent from the meeting. 
    
    Regarding Dave's question to Session 4:
    >Second, add to Item #4 (Neutrino-Nucleus Review) an explicit mention of
    >the goal of collecting first a comprehensive list of references to all
    >existing neutrino data, and for the longer term, putting as much data as
    >possible into some kind of computer-accessible database.
    1)A comprehensive list of references to all existing neutrino data --
      This is almost done now (except high energy CCFR/CDHS data).
    2) Regarding the computer-accesible data base, some of the
     data are available in WWW server (PDG database), but 
     selecting only interesting neutrino data is not easy.  
     Making database from the papers may be easier. 
      
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    Regards,
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    Makoto Sakuda  <makoto.sakuda@kek.jp>
    Institute of Particle and Nuclear Studies
    High Energy Accelerator Research Organization (KEK)
    Oho 1-1, Tsukuba, 305-0801, Japan
    TEL=+81-298-64-5433, FAX=+81-298-64-7831
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      1. Welcome address by S.Yamada (KEK)  
      2. Objectives and  Motivations
         (Conveners: Sakuda*,Suzuki,Lipari)
    > - session 2 is to identify the characteristics of neutrino interactions
    > and nuclear effects which are relevant to various oscillation measurements.
    > I would try very much to avoid doing it per specific experiment (like K2K,
    > MINOS, etc..) to avoid yet another PR session. I would rather try to
    > appoint people to think about
    > - delta m measurement
    > - nue appearance
    > - nu tau appearance
    > - mixing angle measurements
    > - CP violation
    >
    > and identify what are the uncertainties, once we want to achieve high
    > precision. Presumably they will be pretty much in common in all experiments.
    > Some uncertainities may be bigger or smaller, depending on the type of the
    > detector (like pi-zero background to nue appearance  in water Cerenkovs and
    > in ICARUS) but this van be discussed in a very generic way.
    
           Precise Measurements  of neutrino oscillation
           parameters with Long-Baseline  accelerator beams
        *)How much is each neutrino oscillation experiment affected by the
          systematic errors due to cross sections and nuclear effects?
    
        1) nu-mu->nu-mu and nu-mu->nue at K2K and JHF   ---- Y.Itow 
        2) nu-mu->nu-mu and nu-mu->nue at MINOS/CNGS    ---- (MINOS)
        3) nu-mu->nu-tau appearance experiment ---  Komatsu* (Nagoya)
        4) neutrino-factory  --- S2-4 (Please recommend)
        5)  Determination of neutrino oscillation parameters
            with atmospheric neutrinos.        -- E.Kearns or Kajita/Kaneyuki
        6)  Prospect of the proton decay experiment and 
            background for proton decay  -- Shiozawa (ICRR) or (UNO)
        7)  Supernova   --   K.Langanke* 
        8) Particle Physics    --- Mangano 
    
    * Confirmed
    
    I think that the above 1) and 2) meet the request that
    people want to know the difference between water detector
    and calorimeter detector. The above 1) and 2) are simpler
    for a speaker than those like 
         1) nu-mu disappeance experiment  
           explain K2K,MINOS,JHF , water and iron 
         2) nu-mu->nue appearance experiment 
           explain K2K,MINOS,JHF , water and iron
     This is really hard for a speaker. I ask your comments.
    
    3. Theoretical Issues of Neutrino-Nucleus Interactions and Nuclear Effects
                (Conveners: Morfin*, Seki, Lipari, Para)
     *) What is known in electron-nucleus interactions (e,e') and
     (e,e'p) about nuclear effects  in relation to the
      corresponding neutrino-nucleus interactions at 0.5 to 10 GeV resgion. 
    
     1) NUCLEAR EFFECTS IN ELECTRON-NUCLEUS INTERACTIONS THEORY:
    	V. Pandharipande* - multi-body theory of e-Nucleus interactions
    	T. Thomas  (Backup; M. Strikman) - nonP/PQCD look at e-Nucleus int.
    	W. Melnitchouk - Resonance region to DIS, q-hadron duality
    
     2)EXPERIMENT:
            I. Sick (Backup; R. Milner) - low energy nuclear effects
            C. Keppel/JLAB (Backup: G. Garvey) - elastic to resonance to DIS
    						nucleon & nucleus
     3) PION-ABSORPTION STUDIES
            R. Redwine - LADS pi absorption experiment results
    
     4) NEUTRINO-NUCLEUS INTERACTIONS INCLUDING NUCLEAR EFFECTS
    	E. Paschos* - Neutrino nucleus interactions and Leptognesis
    	O. Benhar - Final State Interactions in Neutrino Nucleus Scattering
    	J. Marteau - although in MC benchmark session, talk to give the
    		     details of physics going into MC
    	(Backup; P. Bernardini - nuclear re-interactions, P. Vogel for
    		sub-GeV presentations)
    
    4. Overview of the existing and new data on
       neutrino-nucleus interactions and their uncertainties 
          (Conveners: Itow*/Suzuki/Sakuda)
             *) Specify the accuracy of the cross section measurements and
               of verifying nuclear effects, even if the measurement is
               direct or indirect.
     Review:
              1) Nu-nucleus Data and their systematic errors
                 Low energy and DIS         --  M.Sakuda
                                                J.Morfin 
                 i) Quasi-elastic interactions 
                   Cross section and MA 
                ii) 1pi production
                   Cross section and MA
               iii) NC interactions (Elastic and pi production)  
                iv) Total Cross section measurements and
                    Structure fuctions    
                  
              2) New data on iv) ---- Anatoli Vovenko (IHEP)
    
      New data:
             K2K:  
                 3)  (mu + X) data         --- S4-2-1    
                     P-mu, theta_mu, q^2, E_nu
    
                   Do we show Iron/Water data, separately?
    
                 4) (mu p + X)  data     --- Walter +1 
                     P-mu, theta_mu, q^2, E_nu
                     Study on nQE/QE, MA          
            
                 5)  NC (pi0)   ---  C.Mauger or Nakayama 
                 6)  CC (mu-pi0) --- S.Mine 
             SK:
                 7)  Atomospheric data on NC(pi0)/CC(e) --- 
    
             *) Study of the proton decay backgrounds by the measurements /
       	    Mu-pi0 study really estimates e-pi0 backgrounds? /
      	    Kaon production by neutrino interactions (BEBC?/K2K)
       
    5. Comparison of the benchmark MC and theoretical calculations
                 Conveners: Seki*/Hayato/Casper/H.R.Gallagher
         Chair: R.Seki, Associate Chair: Y.Hayato
         Benchmark calculations are presented for:
              a) Quasi-elastic
                    *) (nu_mu,mu) inclusive
                    *) (nu_mu,mu p) semi-inclusive
              b) Charged pion production
              c) Coherent pi0 production
    >* It is important that all groups use the same
    >parameters for the neutrino-nucleon cross sections, for
    >example, vector and axial form factors. Then, specify which
    >models or papers they use for nuclear effects (Fermi-gas model etc). 
    
        i) MC Generators:
              1) NEUT   (Hayato)
              2) NUANCE (Casper)
              3) MINOS/Soudan II (Gallagher)
              4) OPERA/NOMAD/DONUT   
                   (Piero Zucchelli for CHORUS MC as Casper suggests?) 
              5) A brief summary of MC results
    
       ii) Theoretical calculations
               6) J. Marteau
               7) E. Paschos 
               8) H. Nakamura 
    
       iii) Summary of comparison of benchmark calculations (MC+Theory)(0.5 hours)
    
       ----  Coffee break ---
    
    6. Panel Discussion 
       Chair, Seki; Associate Chair, D. Casper
     Panel discussions are carried out by:
      V. R. Pandharipande, Y.Hayato, K. Kaneyuki, P. Vogel, 
      K. Kubodera, K. Langanke, Resonance/DIS   
    
          The following six issues are discussed.  An leader is assigned for each 
          issue, who is responsible to come up with consensus among the panelers 
          and the audiance on the current status of the issue in 30 minutes.
          For each topic, the leaders are first to describe his view of the issue  
          briefly (say, 5-10 minutes), and discussions are to follow it. 
          The leaders will be responsible to write a summary for the proceedings. 
          Tentative leaders are listed in parentheses.
    
     In MC environment for (nu,l) and (nu,l p), separately: 
        1) How should Fermi gas model be applied and made realistic? (Vogel)
        2) How important nuclear correlations are and how 
           should be incorporated, and how the final-state 
           interactions are best treated? (Pandharipande)  
        3) How should the pion production be treated?  (Hayato/Kaneyuki)
    
      As an item which is uncertain but likely to have practical consequences:
        4) How vector current is made to be conserved 
         in nuclei, off-shell effects should be treated, 
         and how the axial currents and form factors are 
         modified in nuclei?  (Kubodera)     
       5) Resonances/DIS  (what and who?)
       6) DIS             (what and who?) 
    
     General discussion: 
       7) The universal neutrino-nucleus MC code. (Casper)  
          The questions are to be addressed:
          Whether and how such a code be constructed?
          What is its scope (reaction processes and energies etc. to be 
           covered)? 
          What ingredients (physics) should such code(s) includes?
          Who would actually do the work?
       8) Compilation of neutrino-nucleus interactions (Casper)
    
       Summary of this session will be given in Session 8.
          
     7. Future experiments and facilities (Conveners: Para*,Itow,Walter)
    
      1) merits/disadvantages of the existing neutrino beams 
       (K2K, CERN, FNAL-Booster, FNAL-NuMI,....) -  Andre Rubbia
    
      2) new near detector of K2K, its physics goals and potential - Nakaya
    
      3) experimentation at JLAB: what are the existing fecilities/experiments, 
       potential for modifications and upgrades, potential for new initiatives
     
      4) near detector station at NuMI: overview, potential for dedicated 
      experiments, constraints..  -  Rob Plunkett
     
     5) - 'small ICARUS' detector as potential technique for studies of low energy 
      neutrino interactions -  Flavio Cavanna
    
     6) Cross section measurements at CERN AD, Fermilab Debuncher ?
    
    8. Summary and Goals for the next NuInt02  (Y.Suzuki*) 
    
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